Senator Leila De Lima declares Senator Alan Peter Cayetano 'out of order,' unparliamentary, while Cayetano calls out Senator Antonio Trillanes IV for 'trash talk'
CLASH. Two of President Rodrigo Duterte's critics, Senators Leila De Lima and Antonio Trillanes IV (left, middle), clash with Duterte's staunchest ally Senator Alan Peter Cayetano (right) during the 3rd Senate hearing on extrajudicial killings.
MANILA, Philippines – Two of the strongest critics of President Rodrigo Duterte faced off with the Chief Executive's staunchest ally in the Senate as a supposed key witness was presented at a Senate hearing on the spate of extrajudicial killings under the new administration.
Senators Leila De Lima and Antonio Trillanes IV took turns against Senator Alan Peter Cayetano, Duterte's running mate in the last elections, at the third hearing of the Senate committee on justice and human rights on Thursday, September 15.
The exchanges happened as Cayetano grilled witness Edgar Matobato to check his credibility as a witness. He said he also wanted to "test" his theories on the motives behind the alleged former Davao Death Squad member's decision to speak about the killings in Davao City when Duterte was still mayor.
The exposé of Matobato – which Malacañang denied – heated the atmosphere at the hearing, but the 3 senators made it more colorful as they, at times, spoke simultaneously, trying to put in the final word.
Cayetano took a swipe at the Liberal Party as he questioned Matobato, accusing De Lima's political party of bringing the witness into the Senate. (READ: Cayetano: LP wants to 'reclaim' Palace through 'Davao Death Squad' witness)
He then clarified that he was just "testing the motives" of the witness, De Lima, and the LP. Cayetano theorized that it might just be part of the LP's so-called "Plan B" – oust Duterte so Vice President Leni Robredo, an LP member, can assume the presidency. (READ: Robredo 'offended' by Cayetano's LP ouster plot claim)
Cayetano and former senator Ferdinand "Bongbong" Marcos Jr had talked about this "Plan B" since the campaign, when they ran for vice president against Robredo.
De Lima, chair of the committee on justice and human rights, interjected and wanted some part of Cayetano's question be put on record.
But Cayetano cut De Lima: "May I plead with you? You brought the witness here, I am testing his motives."
De Lima cut him in return, saying, "I just feel there's need for some clarification."
"Can you do that after this?" Cayetano butted in.
Trillanes, for his part, sat between De Lima and Cayetano and asked, "Is there unli-questioning for one member?" Unli is the short version of unlimited.
"More than an hour for a non-member – that's a luxury," Trillanes added, noting that Cayetano, who was not a member of the committee holding the probe, had been speaking way past the 10-minute allotment per senator.
At this point, there was no order on the floor as both Nacionalista Party senators were talking at the same time. Trillanes moved that Cayetano be declared out of order.
De Lima was then urged to suspend the hearing "to clear the air." But even while the session was on a break, Cayetano and Trillanes were seen having a heated exchange while seated. De Lima stood up between the two and appeared to signal that the two separate.
Cayetano said, "I thought it is my turn?"
To pacify both parties, De Lima intervened and proposed that they conduct an executive session so the witness would be comfortable in explaining why he left the Witness Protection Program.
'Out of order'
De Lima had repeatedly reminded Cayetano that he had been using up too much time already, something that the latter denied.
He went on to speak and question the witness for another 20 minutes, saying it was the responsibility of the chairperson to vet the credibility of the witness. Cayetano also questioned the neutrality of De Lima to conduct the hearing, claiming that she had already judged the Duterte administration "guilty" even before the hearing began.
This triggered De Lima to reprimand Cayetano, calling his acts "unparliamentary."
"It is unparliamentary to be imputing motives on the part of the standing committee, including the chair. You have been doing that, insinuating that, indicating bad faith on the part of the standing committee. I'm not going to allow it," De Lima said.
Cayetano objected some more, prompting De Lima to declare him "out of order."
But Cayetano continued to talk, prompting De Lima to ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to restrain Cayetano. At this point, he eventually stopped.
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